One thing to clear up is Diem does have version control, just wanted to make sure there wasn’t any misinformation there.

Based on my experience, I can see apostrophe very handy in a more “light-weight” web app. If you’re putting together a brochure site, apostrophe is pretty slick and VERY easy for an end user to administrate.

I’ll admit, Diem took more time for me to wrap my head around, but once I did, it is WAY more powerful. You can put in custom layouts, etc., but you probably need some experience with the framework and should be a solid symfony developer. In addition, if you’re going to create any sort of “hybrid” app that needs both data manipulation and CMS functionality, this is where Diem would definitely be the right choice.

Personally, now that I’ve used Diem, I use it on all but the most simple projects. Apostrophe can get you there for most simple sites, but Diem is packed with features and backend tools that are worth taking the time to learn (imo of course).

Can’t go wrong with either if you know Symfony well because you can always extend what’s “missing” out of the box to customize your app regardless of which CMS/CMF you choose.

Diem certainly has lots of initial wow factors, but I find Apostrophenow is better (at the moment) for several reasons:

- Easier to create custom layout. I just couldn’t figure out how to use my own custom layout with Diem. Apo comes with default ones that can be copied and modified.

- Easier to integrate custom actions. I have no idea how to do this in diem. I did struggle a bit on this with Apo at first, but the documentation was there.

- Slot history. Not sure but I think Diem does not support any edit history. If you make mistake, then that’s it, can’t undo.

- Closer to Symfony. Diem feels like a layer on top of Symfony.

Having said that, Diem is a VERY promising project and will check it again later.

By the way, svnforeigncopy way is great! It’s real fast to setup new project, so it’s worth spending time to learn it.

If you’re feeling like playing with unfinished code you can check it out from the symfony svn repo. However based off input from Tom Boutell check out the trunk version, although this may have changed in the week or so since I tried it.

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks for the great article!

I’m pretty familiar with symfony so the manual install was not that big a deal for me.

Also I’m sorry I made you sad.